we're on the verge of another manmade disaster is this fiscal cliff. i want you to take a listen of a sound bite you from two of the biggest perpetrators of the disaster. >> we'll continue to take this as a serious matter. this is not a game. we're not in interested in playing rope a dope. >> it was not a serious proposal. right now we're almost nowhere. >> jennifer: of course, they're respond together president having put out a plan to solve the fiscal cliff. do you think these two have a have a road map to avert the fiscal cliff? >> i think these two are the jackknifeed big rigs that are clogging all the--i don't think we're going to get there. i think we're going to go over the fiscal cliff. >> jennifer: you know, i put money on them solving the crisis. it's just a question of whether it's before or after the cliff. the cliff will precipitate resolution. >> but then there are people who say it's not a cliff, but a slight rise, a slope. >> jennifer: exactly. do you think the democrats have learned any lessons about negotiating? >> we would hope so, a